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Red Data Girl. Videos Reviews Comments More Info. Newest Oldest Viewers Also Liked. If It's for My Daughter, I'd Even Defeat a Demon Lord 24 Videos MYSTERIA Friends 10 ... Welcome This wiki is about the anime, Red Data Girl. Izumiko Suzuhara, a 15-year old girl who has been raised at Tamakura Shrine, learns that she is a yorishiro, a vessel for a shinto spirit known as a kami, while her childhood friend Miyuki Sagara learns that he is a yamabushi, a warrior tasked with protecting her. Characters Don't dwell too much on a girl's appearance. Everyone likes receiving compliments, especially when they've obviously gone out of their way to dress up and look good, but that shouldn't be the main topic of conversation. Give the girl you'd like to date a chance to be more than the cute dress and heels she's wearing. Snag your Data Girl t-shirt or sweatshirt today and a portion of the proceeds will benefit ISPU and go right back into allowing this team of women to conduct even more research. We even have youth sizes to inspire the next generation of researchers and data scientists! We've received several requests to address Latin plurals, so today we're going to tackle a tricky one. A listener called with this request: Hi, Grammar Girl. This is Adam from Peoria. I was wondering if you could go over the usage of the word data, as in The data are correct or The da Data Camp is a hands-on workshop for middle school girls that focuses on different topics in the field of data analytics. Our goal is to increase data literacy, pique interest in and provide exposure to non-coding careers in technology.. In each camp a student will learn about data analytics careers, engage in hands-on activities that culminate in a final project around real world application Data Girl Technologies. Oct 2019 – Present 1 year. Cameroon - Develop front end website architecture using Reactjs and BootStrap - Built over 30 WordPress Sites - Developed several Rails APIs - Built 30+ Web applications using Rails and React - Consistently contributed to open source projects. ‘Data’: The Latin Plural of ‘Datum” The word “data” comes to English from Latin, in which “datum” is the singular and “data” is the plural. If you’re sticking with that history, it should be “Your data are now safe.” “Data.” Plural. ‘Data’: The English Singular Meaning ‘Information’ Looking for information on the anime RDG: Red Data Girl (Red Data Girl)? Find out more with MyAnimeList, the world's most active online anime and manga community and database. Fifteen-year-old Izumiko Suzuhara just wants to be a normal girl, but that is easier said than done. Raised in a shrine deep in the mountains, she grew up extremely sheltered and painfully shy.

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2019.05.12 10:28 CarrotOfWisdom LOOT Error

I get

Error

Oh no, something went wrong! This is usually because "C:\Users\Username\AppData\Local\Skyrim Special Edition\plugins.txt" is set to be read-only. If it is, unset it and try again. If it isn't, you can check your LOOTDebugLog.txt (you can get to it through the main menu) for more information.

everytime I try to apply the load order.

DebugLog:
[11:17:19.912589] [error]: libloadorder failed to set the load order. Details: The game's implicitly active plugins must load in their harcoded positions
[11:17:19.912657] [error]: Exception while executing query: libloadorder failed to set the load order. Details: The game's implicitly active plugins must load in their harcoded positions: Libloadorder error
[11:17:19.913228] [error]: Chromium console message from http://loot/ui/app.bundle.js at line 5039: Error: Oh no, something went wrong! This is usually because "C:\Users\Username\AppData\Local\Skyrim Special Edition\plugins.txt" is set to be read-only. If it is, unset it and try again. If it isn't, you can check your LOOTDebugLog.txt (you can get to it through the main menu) for more information.
at onFailure (http://loot/ui/app.bundle.js:5039:5817)

Things I tried:
-Looking at the said folder and find out that there is no plugins.txt
-Uncheck the "read-only" on the folder
-Create a plugins.txt
-Run LOOT as admin
-Try to use the "sort" in Mod Organizer 2 (gives "Error code: 1")
-Deleting Skyrim Special Edition folder in Appdata/Local
-Reinstalling LOOT again and again
-Deleting Plugins.txt and Loadorder.txt in MO2 profile
-Manually writing the load order in plugins.txt and loadorder.txt

My Load Order:
0 0 Skyrim.esm
1 1 Update.esm
2 2 Dawnguard.esm
3 3 HearthFires.esm
4 4 Dragonborn.esm
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254 FE 1 ccbgssse004-ruinsedge.esl
254 FE 2 ccbgssse006-stendarshammer.esl
254 FE 3 ccbgssse007-chrysamere.esl
254 FE 4 ccbgssse014-spellpack01.esl
254 FE 5 ccbgssse019-staffofsheogorath.esl
254 FE 6 ccbgssse021-lordsmail.esl
254 FE 7 ccmtysse001-knightsofthenine.esl
5 5 cctwbsse001-puzzledungeon.esm
6 6 cceejsse001-hstead.esm
254 FE 8 ccbgssse018-shadowrend.esl
254 FE 9 ccfsvsse001-backpacks.esl
254 FE a cceejsse002-tower.esl
254 FE b ccedhsse001-norjewel.esl
254 FE c ccbgssse037-curios.esl
254 FE d ccbgssse034-mntuni.esl
254 FE e ccmtysse002-ve.esl
254 FE f ccffbsse001-imperialdragon.esl
254 FE 10 ccbgssse043-crosselv.esl
254 FE 11 ccvsvsse001-winter.esl
7 7 Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
8 8 BSAssets.esm
9 9 BSHeartland.esm
10 a BS_DLC_patch.esp
11 b LegacyoftheDragonborn.esm
12 c arnima.esm
13 d EFFCore.esm
14 e Campfire.esm
15 f Falskaar.esm
254 FE 12 Unofficial Forgotten Seasons Patch.esl
16 10 Gray Fox Cowl.esm
17 11 Wyrmstooth.esp
254 FE 13 Unofficial Tundra Homestead Patch.esl
254 FE 14 Unofficial Vigil Enforcer Armor Set Patch.esl
254 FE 15 Unofficial Civil War Champions Patch.esl
254 FE 16 Unofficial Lord's Mail Patch.esl
254 FE 17 Unofficial Myrwatch Patch.esl
254 FE 18 Unofficial Shadowrend Patch.esl
254 FE 19 Unofficial Divine Crusader Patch.esl
254 FE 1a Unofficial Chrysamere Patch.esl
254 FE 1b Unofficial Ruin's Edge Patch.esl
254 FE 1c Unofficial Arcane Accessories Patch.esl
254 FE 1d Unofficial Saturalia Holiday Pack Patch.esl
254 FE 1e Unofficial Arcane Archer Pack Patch.esl
254 FE 1f Unofficial Elite Crossbows Patch.esl
254 FE 20 Unofficial Stendarr's Hammer Patch.esl
254 FE 21 Unofficial Staff of Sheogorath Patch.esl
254 FE 22 Unofficial Wild Horses Patch.esl
254 FE 23 Unofficial Nordic Jewelry Patch.esl
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19 13 ELFX - Exteriors.esp
20 14 WARZONES - SSE - Civil Unrest.esp
21 15 WARZONES - SSE - DLC - Assault Attack.esp
22 16 SkyUI_SE.esp
23 17 MoonAndStar_MAS.esp
24 18 konahrik_accoutrements.esp
25 19 3DNPC.esp
26 1a EnhancedLightsandFX.esp
27 1b TouringCarriages.esp
28 1c Undeath.esp
29 1d Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp
30 1e Weapons Armor Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp
31 1f Cutting Room Floor.esp
32 20 dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
33 21 ELFX - Weathers.esp
34 22 Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
35 23 Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp
36 24 BetterQuestObjectives.esp
37 25 MoonAndStar_ImmersionPatch.esp
38 26 BetterQuestObjectives-CRFPatch.esp
39 27 BetterQuestObjectives-DBForevertoMisc.esp
40 28 WACCF_Armor and Clothing Extension.esp
41 29 Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
42 2a BetterQuestObjectives - BCS Patch.esp
43 2b DBM_CRF_Patch.esp
44 2c JRWZMASPatch.esp
45 2d DBM_ISC_Patch.esp
46 2e DBM_WACCF_Patch.esp
47 2f RaceMenu.esp
48 30 RaceMenuPlugin.esp
49 31 JKs Skyrim.esp
50 32 icepenguinworldmapclassic.esp
51 33 LessIntrusiveHUD.esp
52 34 3PCOFull.esp
53 35 TimingIsEverything.esp
54 36 BetterQuestObjectives-EFFPatch.esp
55 37 Undeath Immersive Lichdom.esp
56 38 Summermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp
57 39 JRWZAABrumaCompPatch.esp
58 3a Skyrim Immersive Creatures Special Edition.esp
59 3b GreatWarSkyrim.esp
60 3c GreatWarSkyrimDGPatch.esp
61 3d UIExtensions.esp
62 3e CC'sEnhancedOreVeinsSSE-HearthfirePatch.esp
63 3f KarstaagReborn.esp
64 40 FranklyHDImperialArmorsAndWeapons.esp
65 41 Lock_Overhaul.esp
66 42 UniqueBarbas.esp
67 43 WetandCold.esp
68 44 Konahriks Privilege by Edhelsereg.esp
69 45 know_your_enemy.esp
70 46 Perk Points at Skill Levels 50-75-100.esp
71 47 Andromeda - Unique Standing Stones of Skyrim.esp
72 48 Improved Traps.esp
73 49 AchieveThat_SE_en.esp
74 4a AAE Ultimate Edition.esp
75 4b WICO - Immersive People.esp
76 4c WICO - USSEP Compatible Patch.esp
77 4d OBIS SE.esp
78 4e Thunderchild - Epic Shout Package.esp
79 4f SkyTEST-RealisticAnimals&Predators.esp
80 50 OwnCivilWar.esp
81 51 Point The Way.esp
82 52 ZIA_Complete Pack.esp
83 53 Immersive Music.esp
84 54 Wintersun - Faiths of Skyrim.esp
85 55 OBIS Loot SE.esp
86 56 SkyrimsUniqueTreasures.esp
87 57 Atlas Map Markers.esp
88 58 WayshrinesIFT.esp
89 59 Dwarfsphere.esp
90 5a Immersive Encounters.esp
91 5b Cut Content - Windhelm Arena.esp
92 5c Skyrim Better Roads and Bridges - All In One - Merged.esp
93 5d Run For Your Lives.esp
94 5e Inigo.esp
95 5f Afterlife.esp
96 60 Killable Children.esp
97 61 Improved Shadowmarks.esp
98 62 Boethiah's Bidding.esp
99 63 WICO - Immersive Character.esp
100 64 Combat Evolved.esp
101 65 Immersive Weapons.esp
102 66 WACCF_ImmersiveWeapons_Patch.esp
103 67 Unique Uniques.esp
104 68 WACCF Unique Uniques Patch.esp
105 69 PrvtI_HeavyArmory.esp
106 6a DBM_Bruma_Patch.esp
107 6b Immersive Patrols II.esp
108 6c WZOblivionArtifacts.esp
109 6d Skyshards.esp
110 6e Bloodworm.esp
111 6f Trade & Barter.esp
112 70 Zim's Improved Dremora.esp
113 71 SpellResearch.esp
114 72 BellyachesNewDragonSpecies.esp
115 73 SofiaFollower.esp
116 74 Zim's Falkreath Home.esp
117 75 DBM_IW_Patch.esp
118 76 DBM_AHO_Patch.esp
119 77 Vigilant.esp
120 78 Tools of Kagrenac.esp
121 79 DBM_TOK_Patch.esp
122 7a DBM_MAS_Patch.esp
123 7b Recorder Follower Base.esp
124 7c DBM_OblivionArtifacts_Patch.esp
125 7d quest_pitfighter.esp
126 7e Lucien.esp
127 7f DBM_Vigilant_Patch.esp
128 80 DBM_Undeath_Patch.esp
129 81 Missives.esp
130 82 magic of the magna-ge.esp
131 83 Undriel_Everlight.esp
132 84 Haem Projects Goblands.esp
133 85 PaladinArtifactsAndArmor.esp
134 86 ArtifactsOfBoethiah.esp
135 87 Ravengate.esp
136 88 DestructibleDisplayCases.esp
137 89 Dawnguard&VolkiharArtifactsQuests.esp
138 8a Vigilant Voiced.esp
139 8b NecromancerAmulet.esp
140 8c Thief skills rebalance for Ordinator.esp
141 8d Wildcat - Combat of Skyrim.esp
142 8e wizDynamicThings.esp
143 8f Crime Overhaul.esp
144 90 NarrativeLoot Complete.esp
145 91 OBIS SE Patrols Addon.esp
254 FE 24 WayshrinesIFTBeyondReach.esp
254 FE 25 WayshrinesIFTGrayCowl.esp
254 FE 26 WayshrinesIFTWyrmstooth.esp
146 92 UltimateCombat.esp
147 93 Guards Attack Hostiles.esp
254 FE 27 Incognito.esp
148 94 VioLens SE.esp
149 95 RideSharing.esp
150 96 PrvtIRoyalArmory.esp
151 97 Realistic Capacity.esp
152 98 minimap.esp
153 99 Ulags Legacy.esp
154 9a AGirlHasArmor.esp
155 9b ThaneWeaponsReborn.esp
156 9c cheery_AetherArtifactsCrafting-r2.esp
157 9d Volkihar Knight.esp
158 9e JKs Skyrim_Thunderchild_Patch.esp
159 9f ForgottenMagic_Redone.esp
160 a0 HothFollower.esp
161 a1 RDO - CRF + USSEP Patch.esp
162 a2 HothFollower UFO Patch.esp
163 a3 Mighty Dragons SE Medium Cooked.esp
164 a4 ogSplendorDragons.esp
165 a5 KS Dragon Overhaul.esp
166 a6 DiverseDragonsCollectionSE.esp
167 a7 Animallica.esp
168 a8 XPMSE.esp
169 a9 FNIS.esp
170 aa Lucien-MoonandStar-Patch.esp
171 ab OBIS SE - Immersive Weapons Patch.esp
254 FE 28 ESO Skyshards - BSBruma.esp
254 FE 29 WayshrinesIFTBSBruma.esp
254 FE 2a ESO Skyshards - Falskaar.esp
254 FE 2b WayshrinesIFTFalskaar.esp
254 FE 2c ESO Skyshards - Wyrmstooth.esp
172 ac UIL & Path of the Revenant Patch.esp
173 ad KS Dragon Overhaul - Thunderchild Patch.esp
174 ae KS Dragon Overhaul - Enhanced Mighty Dragons V4 Patch.esp
175 af KS Dragon Overhaul - AAE Ultimate Edition Patch.esp
254 FE 2d WACCF_KonahriksAccoutrements.esp
176 b0 DBM_AAE_Patch.esp
177 b1 DBM_IA_Patch.esp
178 b2 DBM_ArtifactsOfBoethiah_Patch.esp
179 b3 DBM_BeyondReach_Patch.esp
180 b4 DBM_Bloodworm_Patch.esp
181 b5 DBM_ImmersiveCreatures_Patch.esp
182 b6 DBM_DGE_Patch.esp
183 b7 DBM_HA_Patch.esp
184 b8 DBM_NarrativeLoot_Patch.esp
185 b9 DBM_OBIS_Patch.esp
186 ba DBM_RoyalArmory_Patch.esp
187 bb DBM_SkyTEST_Patch.esp
188 bc Imperious - Races of Skyrim.esp
189 bd Complete Alchemy & Cooking Overhaul.esp
254 FE 2e CACO_Wintersun.esp
254 FE 2f CACO_USSEP_Patch.esp
254 FE 30 CACO Rare Curios Patch.esp
254 FE 31 CACO_SkyrimImmersiveCreaturesSE_Patch.esp
254 FE 32 CACO_Wyrmstooth_Patch.esp
254 FE 33 Inigo_CACO_Patch.esp
254 FE 34 CACO_GrayCowl_Patch.esp
254 FE 35 CACO_Falskaar_Patch.esp
190 be DBM_CACO_Patch.esp
191 bf Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp
192 c0 Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp
193 c1 Apocalypse - Waterstride Spell Addon.esp
194 c2 Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp
195 c3 Ordinator - Beyond Skyrim Bruma Patch.esp
254 FE 36 Ordinator_WACCF_Patch.esp
254 FE 37 CACO_Ordinator_Patch.esp
196 c4 Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
197 c5 Sacrosanct - Vampires of Skyrim.esp
198 c6 Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp
199 c7 Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp
200 c8 EFFDialogue.esp
201 c9 Castle Volkihar Rebuilt.esp
202 ca CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp
203 cb CWIELnFXSEPatch.esp
204 cc CWICRFSEPatch.esp
205 cd CWIOrdinatorPatchSSE.esp
206 ce ICOW_WICO_Patch.esp
207 cf TheChoiceIsYours.esp
208 d0 Immersive Horses.esp
209 d1 Immersive Citizens - TC patch.esp
210 d2 RDO - EFF v4.0.2 Patch.esp
254 FE 38 TCIY_Wintersun_Patch.esp
254 FE 39 TCIY_CRF_Patch.esp
211 d3 BCS_TCIY_Patch.esp
212 d4 DBM_ImmersiveHorses_Patch.esp
213 d5 Relationship Dialogue Overhaul - Immersive Horses Patch.esp
214 d6 ELFX - Hardcore.esp
215 d7 Immersive Citizens - ELFXHardcore patch.esp
216 d8 RealisticWaterTwo.esp
254 FE 3a RealisticWaterTwo - Beyond Reach.esp
254 FE 3b RealisticWaterTwo - Beyond Skyrim Bruma.esp
254 FE 3c RealisticWaterTwo - Falskaar.esp
217 d9 RealisticWaterTwo - Waves.esp
218 da RealisticWaterTwo - FlowingLakes.esp
219 db RealisticWaterTwo - Waves - Falskaar.esp
220 dc RealisticWaterTwo - Wyrmstooth.esp
221 dd RealisticWaterTwo - Waves - Wyrmstooth.esp
254 FE 3d JKs Skyrim_RWT_Patch.esp
222 de WACCF_BashedPatchLvlListFix.esp
223 df Scarcity SE - Less Loot Mod.esp
224 e0 Scarcity SE - 10x Loot Rarity.esp
225 e1 Scarcity SE - 10x Merchant Item Rarity.esp
226 e2 Bashed Patch, 0.esp
227 e3 Modern Brawl Bug Fix.esp
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2019.03.10 19:30 jwinterm Transcript of discussion between an ASIC designer and several proof-of-work designers from #monero-pow channel on Freenode this morning

[08:07:01] lukminer contains precompiled cn/r math sequences for some blocks: https://lukminer.org/2019/03/09/oh-kay-v4r-here-we-come/
[08:07:11] try that with RandomX :P
[08:09:00] tevador: are you ready for some RandomX feedback? it looks like the CNv4 is slowly stabilizing, hashrate comes down...
[08:09:07] how does it even make sense to precompile it?
[08:09:14] mine 1% faster for 2 minutes?
[08:09:35] naturally we think the entire asic-resistance strategy is doomed to fail :) but that's a high-level thing, who knows. people may think it's great.
[08:09:49] about RandomX: looks like the cache size was chosen to make it GPU-hard
[08:09:56] looking forward to more docs
[08:11:38] after initial skimming, I would think it's possible to make a 10x asic for RandomX. But at least for us, we will only make an ASIC if there is not a total ASIC hostility there in the first place. That's better for the secret miners then.
[08:13:12] What I propose is this: we are working on an Ethash ASIC right now, and once we have that working, we would invite tevador or whoever wants to come to HK/Shenzhen and we walk you guys through how we would make a RandomX ASIC. You can then process this input in any way you like. Something like that.
[08:13:49] unless asics (or other accelerators) re-emerge on XMR faster than expected, it looks like there is a little bit of time before RandomX rollout
[08:14:22] 10x in what measure? $/hash or watt/hash?
[08:14:46] watt/hash
[08:15:19] so you can make 10 times more efficient double precisio FPU?
[08:16:02] like I said let's try to be productive. You are having me here, let's work together!
[08:16:15] continue with RandomX, publish more docs. that's always helpful.
[08:16:37] I'm trying to understand how it's possible at all. Why AMD/Intel are so inefficient at running FP calculations?
[08:18:05] --> midipoet ([email protected]/web/irccloud.com/x-vszshqqxwybvtsjm) has joined #monero-pow
[08:18:17] hardware development works the other way round. We start with 1) math then 2) optimization priority 3) hw/sw boundary 4) IP selection 5) physical implementation
[08:22:32] This still doesn't explain at which point you get 10x
[08:23:07] Weren't you the ones claiming "We can accelerate ProgPoW by a factor of 3x to 8x." ? I find it hard to believe too.
[08:30:20] sure
[08:30:26] so my idea: first we finish our current chip
[08:30:35] from simulation to silicon :)
[08:30:40] we love this stuff... we do it anyway
[08:30:59] now we have a communication channel, and we don't call each other names immediately anymore: big progress!
[08:31:06] you know, we russians have a saying "it was smooth on paper, but they forgot about ravines"
[08:31:12] So I need a bit more details
[08:31:16] ha ha. good!
[08:31:31] that's why I want to avoid to just make claims
[08:31:34] let's work
[08:31:40] RandomX comes in Sep/Oct, right?
[08:31:45] Maybe
[08:32:20] We need to audit it first
[08:32:31] ok
[08:32:59] we don't make chips to prove sw devs that their assumptions about hardware are wrong. especially not if these guys then promptly hardfork and move to the next wrong assumption :)
[08:33:10] from the outside, this only means that hw & sw are devaluing each other
[08:33:24] neither of us should do this
[08:33:47] we are making chips that can hopefully accelerate more crypto ops in the future
[08:33:52] signing, verifying, proving, etc.
[08:34:02] PoW is just a feature like others
[08:34:18] sech1: is it easy for you to come to Hong Kong? (visa-wise)
[08:34:20] or difficult?
[08:34:33] or are you there sometimes?
[08:34:41] It's kind of far away
[08:35:13] we are looking forward to more RandomX docs. that's the first step.
[08:35:31] I want to avoid that we have some meme "Linzhi says they can accelerate XYZ by factor x" .... "ha ha ha"
[08:35:37] right? we don't want that :)
[08:35:39] doc is almost finished
[08:35:40] What docs do you need? It's described pretty good
[08:35:41] so I better say nothing now
[08:35:50] we focus on our Ethash chip
[08:36:05] then based on that, we are happy to walk interested people through the design and what else it can do
[08:36:22] that's a better approach from my view than making claims that are laughed away (rightfully so, because no silicon...)
[08:36:37] ethash ASIC is basically a glorified memory controller
[08:36:39] sech1: tevador said something more is coming (he just did it again)
[08:37:03] yes, some parts of RandomX are not described well
[08:37:10] like dataset access logic
[08:37:37] RandomX looks like progpow for CPU
[08:37:54] yes
[08:38:03] it is designed to reflect CPU
[08:38:34] so any ASIC for it = CPU in essence
[08:39:04] of course there are still some things in regular CPU that can be thrown away for RandomX
[08:40:20] uncore parts are not used, but those will use very little power
[08:40:37] except for memory controller
[08:41:09] I'm just surprised sometimes, ok? let me ask: have you designed or taped out an asic before? isn't it risky to make assumptions about things that are largely unknown?
[08:41:23] I would worry
[08:41:31] that I get something wrong...
[08:41:44] but I also worry like crazy that CNv4 will blow up, where you guys seem to be relaxed
[08:42:06] I didn't want to bring up anything RandomX because CNv4 is such a nailbiter... :)
[08:42:15] how do you guys know you don't have asics in a week or two?
[08:42:38] we don't have experience with ASIC design, but RandomX is simply designed to exactly fit CPU capabilities, which is the best you can do anyways
[08:43:09] similar as ProgPoW did with GPUs
[08:43:14] some people say they want to do asic-resistance only until the vast majority of coins has been issued
[08:43:21] that's at least reasonable
[08:43:43] yeah but progpow totally will not work as advertised :)
[08:44:08] yeah, I've seen that comment about progpow a few times already
[08:44:11] which is no surprise if you know it's just a random sales story to sell a few more GPUs
[08:44:13] RandomX is not permanent, we are expecting to switch to ASIC friendly in a few years if possible
[08:44:18] yes
[08:44:21] that makes sense
[08:44:40] linzhi-sonia: how so? will it break or will it be asic-able with decent performance gains?
[08:44:41] are you happy with CNv4 so far?
[08:45:10] ah, long story. progpow is a masterpiece of deception, let's not get into it here.
[08:45:21] if you know chip marketing it makes more sense
[08:45:24] linzhi-sonia: So far? lol! a bit early to tell, don't you think?
[08:45:35] the diff is coming down
[08:45:41] first few hours looked scary
[08:45:43] I remain skeptical: I only see ASICs being reasonable if they are already as ubiquitous as smartphones
[08:45:46] yes, so far so good
[08:46:01] we kbew the diff would not come down ubtil affter block 75
[08:46:10] yes
[08:46:22] but first few hours it looks like only 5% hashrate left
[08:46:27] looked
[08:46:29] now it's better
[08:46:51] the next worry is: when will "unexplainable" hashrate come back?
[08:47:00] you hope 2-3 months? more?
[08:47:05] so give it another couple of days. will probably overshoot to the downside, and then rise a bit as miners get updated and return
[08:47:22] 3 months minimum turnaround, yes
[08:47:28] nah
[08:47:36] don't underestimate asicmakers :)
[08:47:54] you guys don't get #1 priority on chip fabs
[08:47:56] 3 months = 90 days. do you know what is happening in those 90 days exactly? I'm pretty sure you don't. same thing as before.
[08:48:13] we don't do any secret chips btw
[08:48:21] 3 months assumes they had a complete design ready to go, and added the last minute change in 1 day
[08:48:24] do you know who is behind the hashrate that is now bricked?
[08:48:27] innosilicon?
[08:48:34] hyc: no no, and no. :)
[08:48:44] hyc: have you designed or taped out a chip before?
[08:48:51] yes, many years ago
[08:49:10] then you should know that 90 days is not a fixed number
[08:49:35] sure, but like I said, other makers have greater demand
[08:49:35] especially not if you can prepare, if you just have to modify something, or you have more programmability in the chip than some people assume
[08:50:07] we are chipmakers, we would never dare to do what you guys are doing with CNv4 :) but maybe that just means you are cooler!
[08:50:07] and yes, programmability makes some aspect of turnaround easier
[08:50:10] all fine
[08:50:10] I hope it works!
[08:50:28] do you know who is behind the hashrate that is now bricked?
[08:50:29] inno?
[08:50:41] we suspect so, but have no evidence
[08:50:44] maybe we can try to find them, but we cannot spend too much time on this
[08:50:53] it's probably not so much of a secret
[08:51:01] why should it be, right?
[08:51:10] devs want this cat-and-mouse game? devs get it...
[08:51:35] there was one leak saying it's innosilicon
[08:51:36] so you think 3 months, ok
[08:51:43] inno is cool
[08:51:46] good team
[08:51:49] IP design house
[08:51:54] in Wuhan
[08:52:06] they send their people to conferences with fake biz cards :)
[08:52:19] pretending to be other companies?
[08:52:26] sure
[08:52:28] ha ha
[08:52:39] so when we see them, we look at whatever card they carry and laugh :)
[08:52:52] they are perfectly suited for secret mining games
[08:52:59] they made at most $6 million in 2 months of mining, so I wonder if it was worth it
[08:53:10] yeah. no way to know
[08:53:15] but it's good that you calculate!
[08:53:24] this is all about cost/benefit
[08:53:25] then you also understand - imagine the value of XMR goes up 5x, 10x
[08:53:34] that whole "asic resistance" thing will come down like a house of cards
[08:53:41] I would imagine they sell immediately
[08:53:53] the investor may fully understand the risk
[08:53:57] the buyer
[08:54:13] it's not healthy, but that's another discussion
[08:54:23] so mid-June
[08:54:27] let's see
[08:54:49] I would be susprised if CNv4 ASICs show up at all
[08:54:56] surprised*
[08:54:56] why?
[08:55:05] is only an economic question
[08:55:12] yeah should be interesting. FPGAs will be near their limits as well
[08:55:16] unless XMR goes up a lot
[08:55:19] no, not *only*. it's also a technology question
[08:55:44] you believe CNv4 is "asic resistant"? which feature?
[08:55:53] it's not
[08:55:59] cnv4 = Rabdomx ?
[08:56:03] no
[08:56:07] cnv4=cryptinight/r
[08:56:11] ah
[08:56:18] CNv4 is the one we have now, I think
[08:56:21] since yesterday
[08:56:30] it's plenty enough resistant for current XMR price
[08:56:45] that may be, yes!
[08:56:55] I look at daily payouts. XMR = ca. 100k USD / day
[08:57:03] it can hold until October, but it's not asic resistant
[08:57:23] well, last 24h only 22,442 USD :)
[08:57:32] I think 80 h/s per watt ASICs are possible for CNv4
[08:57:38] linzhi-sonia where do you produce your chips? TSMC?
[08:57:44] I'm cruious how you would expect to build a randomX ASIC that outperforms ARM cores for efficiency, or Intel cores for raw speed
[08:57:48] curious
[08:58:01] yes, tsmc
[08:58:21] Our team did the world's first bitcoin asic, Avalon
[08:58:25] and upcoming 2nd gen Ryzens (64-core EPYC) will be a blast at RandomX
[08:58:28] designed and manufactured
[08:58:53] still being marketed?
[08:59:03] linzhi-sonia: do you understand what xmr wants to achieve, community-wise?
[08:59:14] Avalon? as part of Canaan Creative, yes I think so.
[08:59:25] there's not much interesting oing on in SHA256
[08:59:29] Inge-: I would think so, but please speak
[08:59:32] hyc: yes
[09:00:28] linzhi-sonia: i am curious to hear your thoughts. I am fairly new to this space myself...
[09:00:51] oh
[09:00:56] we are grandpas, and grandmas
[09:01:36] yet I have no problem understanding why ASICS are currently reviled.
[09:01:48] xmr's main differentiators to, let's say btc, are anonymity and fungibility
[09:01:58] I find the client terribly slow btw
[09:02:21] and I think the asic-forking since last may is wrong, doesn't create value and doesn't help with the project objectives
[09:02:25] which "the client" ?
[09:02:52] Monero GUI client maybe
[09:03:12] MacOS, yes
[09:03:28] What exactly is slow?
[09:03:30] linzhi-sonia: I run my own node, and use the CLI and Monerujo. Have not had issues.
[09:03:49] staying in sync
[09:03:49] linzhi-sonia: decentralization is also a key principle
[09:03:56] one that Bitcoin has failed to maintain
[09:04:39] hmm
[09:05:00] looks fairly decentralized to me. decentralization is the result of 3 goals imo: resilient, trustless, permissionless
[09:05:28] don't ask a hardware maker about physical decentralization. that's too ideological. we focus on logical decentralization.
[09:06:11] physical decentralization is important. with bulk of bitnoin mining centered on Chinese hydroelectric dams
[09:06:19] have you thought about including block data in the PoW?
[09:06:41] yes, of course.
[09:07:39] is that already in an algo?
[09:08:10] hyc: about "centered on chinese hydro" - what is your source? the best paper I know is this: https://coinshares.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Mining-Whitepaper-Final.pdf
[09:09:01] linzhi-sonia: do you mine on your ASICs before you sell them?
[09:09:13] besides testing of course
[09:09:45] that paper puts Chinese btc miners at 60% max
[09:10:05] tevador: I think everybody learned that that is not healthy long-term!
[09:10:16] because it gives the chipmaker a cost advantage over its own customers
[09:10:33] and cost advantage leads to centralization (physical and logical)
[09:10:51] you guys should know who finances progpow and why :)
[09:11:05] but let's not get into this, ha ha. want to keep the channel civilized. right OhGodAGirl ? :)
[09:11:34] tevador: so the answer is no! 100% and definitely no
[09:11:54] that "self-mining" disease was one of the problems we have now with asics, and their bad reputation (rightfully so)
[09:13:08] I plan to write a nice short 2-page paper or so on our chip design process. maybe it's interesting to some people here.
[09:13:15] basically the 5 steps I mentioned before, from math to physical
[09:13:32] linzhi-sonia: the paper you linked puts 48% of bitcoin mining in Sichuan. the total in China is much more than 60%
[09:13:38] need to run it by a few people to fix bugs, will post it here when published
[09:14:06] hyc: ok! I am just sharing the "best" document I know today. it definitely may be wrong and there may be a better one now.
[09:14:18] hyc: if you see some reports, please share
[09:14:51] hey I am really curious about this: where is a PoW algo that puts block data into the PoW?
[09:15:02] the previous paper I read is from here http://hackingdistributed.com/2018/01/15/decentralization-bitcoin-ethereum/
[09:15:38] hyc: you said that already exists? (block data in PoW)
[09:15:45] it would make verification harder
[09:15:49] linzhi-sonia: https://the-eye.eu/public/Books/campdivision.com/PDF/Computers%20General/Privacy/bitcoin/meh/hashimoto.pdf
[09:15:51] but for chips it would be interesting
[09:15:52] we discussed the possibility about a year ago https://www.reddit.com/Monero/comments/8bshrx/what_we_need_to_know_about_proof_of_work_pow/
[09:16:05] oh good links! thanks! need to read...
[09:16:06] I think that paper by dryja was original
[09:17:53] since we have a nice flow - second question I'm very curious about: has anyone thought about in-protocol rewards for other functions?
[09:18:55] we've discussed micropayments for wallets to use remote nodes
[09:18:55] you know there is a lot of work in other coins about STARK provers, zero-knowledge, etc. many of those things very compute intense, or need to be outsourced to a service (zether). For chipmakers, in-protocol rewards create an economic incentive to accelerate those things.
[09:19:50] whenever there is an in-protocol reward, you may get the power of ASICs doing something you actually want to happen
[09:19:52] it would be nice if there was some economic reward for running a fullnode, but no one has come up with much more than that afaik
[09:19:54] instead of fighting them off
[09:20:29] you need to use asics, not fight them. that's an obvious thing to say for an asicmaker...
[09:20:41] in-protocol rewards can be very powerful
[09:20:50] like I said before - unless the ASICs are so useful they're embedded in every smartphone, I dont see them being a positive for decentralization
[09:21:17] if they're a separate product, the average consumer is not going to buy them
[09:21:20] now I was talking about speedup of verifying, signing, proving, etc.
[09:21:23] they won't even know what they are
[09:22:07] if anybody wants to talk about or design in-protocol rewards, please come talk to us
[09:22:08] the average consumer also doesn't use general purpose hardware to secure blockchains either
[09:22:14] not just for PoW, in fact *NOT* for PoW
[09:22:32] it requires sw/hw co-design
[09:23:10] we are in long-term discussions/collaboration over this with Ethereum, Bitcoin Cash. just talk right now.
[09:23:16] this was recently published though suggesting more uptake though I guess https://btcmanager.com/college-students-are-the-second-biggest-miners-of-cryptocurrency/
[09:23:29] I find it pretty hard to believe their numbers
[09:24:03] well
[09:24:09] sorry, original article: https://www.pcmag.com/news/366952/college-kids-are-using-campus-electricity-to-mine-crypto
[09:24:11] just talk, no? rumors
[09:24:18] college students are already more educated than the average consumer
[09:24:29] we are not seeing many such customers anymore
[09:24:30] it's data from cisco monitoring network traffic
[09:24:33] and they're always looking for free money
[09:24:48] of course anyone with "free" electricity is inclined to do it
[09:24:57] but look at the rates, cannot make much money
[09:26:06] Ethereum is a bloated collection of bugs wrapped in a UI. I suppose they need all the help they can get
[09:26:29] Bitcoin Cash ... just another get rich quick scheme
[09:26:38] hmm :)
[09:26:51] I'll give it back to you, ok? ha ha. arrogance comes before the fall...
[09:27:17] maye we should have a little fun with CNv4 mining :)
[09:27:25] ;)
[09:27:38] come on. anyone who has watched their track record... $75M lost in ETH at DAO hack
[09:27:50] every smart contract that comes along is just waiting for another hack
[09:27:58] I just wanted to throw out the "in-protocol reward" thing, maybe someone sees the idea and wants to cowork. maybe not. maybe it's a stupid idea.
[09:29:18] linzhi-sonia: any thoughts on CN-GPU?
[09:29:55] CN-GPU has one positive aspect - it wastes chip area to implement all 18 hash algorithms
[09:30:19] you will always hear roughly the same feedback from me:
[09:30:52] "This algorithm very different, it heavy use floating point operations to hurt FPGAs and general purpose CPUs"
[09:30:56] the problem is, if it's profitable for people to buy ASIC miners and mine, it's always more profitable for the manufacturer to not sell and mine themselves
[09:31:02] "hurt"
[09:31:07] what is the point of this?
[09:31:15] it totally doesn't work
[09:31:24] you are hurting noone, just demonstrating lack of ability to think
[09:31:41] what is better: algo designed for chip, or chip designed for algo?
[09:31:43] fireice does it on daily basis, CN-GPU is a joke
[09:31:53] tevador: that's not really true, especially in a market with such large price fluctuations as cryptocurrency
[09:32:12] it's far less risky to sell miners than mine with them and pray that price doesn't crash for next six months
[09:32:14] I think it's great that crypto has a nice group of asicmakers now, hw & sw will cowork well
[09:32:36] jwinterm yes, that's why they premine them and sell after
[09:32:41] PoW is about being thermodynamically and cryptographically provable
[09:32:45] premining with them is taking on that risk
[09:32:49] not "fork when we think there are asics"
[09:32:51] business is about risk minimization
[09:32:54] that's just fear-driven
[09:33:05] Inge-: that's roughly the feedback
[09:33:24] I'm not saying it hasn't happened, but I think it's not so simple as saying "it always happens"
[09:34:00] jwinterm: it has certainly happened on BTC. and also on XMR.
[09:34:19] ironically, please think about it: these kinds of algos indeed prove the limits of the chips they were designed for. but they don't prove that you cannot implement the same algo differently! cannot!
[09:34:26] Risk minimization is not starting a business at all.
[09:34:34] proof-of-gpu-limit. proof-of-cpu-limit.
[09:34:37] imagine you have a money printing machine, would you sell it?
[09:34:39] proves nothing for an ASIC :)
[09:35:05] linzhi-sonia: thanks. I dont think anyone believes you can't make a more efficient cn-gpu asic than a gpu - but that it would not be orders of magnitude faster...
[09:35:24] ok
[09:35:44] like I say. these algos are, that's really ironic, designed to prove the limitatios of a particular chip in mind of the designer
[09:35:50] exactly the wrong way round :)
[09:36:16] like the cache size in RandomX :)
[09:36:18] beautiful
[09:36:29] someone looked at GPU designs
[09:37:31] linzhi-sonia can you elaborate? Cache size in RandomX was selected to fit CPU cache
[09:37:52] yes
[09:38:03] too large for GPU
[09:38:11] as I said, we are designing the algorithm to exactly fit CPU capabilities, I do not claim an ASIC cannot be more efficient
[09:38:16] ok!
[09:38:29] when will you do the audit?
[09:38:35] will the results be published in a document or so?
[09:38:37] I claim that single-chip ASIC is not viable, though
[09:39:06] you guys are brave, noone disputes that. 3 anti-asic hardforks now!
[09:39:18] 4th one coming
[09:39:31] 3 forks were done not only for this
[09:39:38] they had scheduled updates in the first place
[09:48:10] Monero is the #1 anti-asic fighter
[09:48:25] Monero is #1 for a lot of reasons ;)
[09:48:40] It's the coin with the most hycs.
[09:48:55] mooooo
[09:59:06] sneaky integer overflow, bug squished
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[11:10:53] The convo here is wild
[11:12:29] it's like geo-politics at the intersection of software and hardware manufacturing for thermoeconomic value.
[11:13:05] ..and on a Sunday.
[11:15:43] midipoet: hw and sw should work together and stop silly games to devalue each other. to outsiders this is totally not attractive.
[11:16:07] I appreciate the positive energy here to try to listen, learn, understand.
[11:16:10] that's a start
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[11:16:54] we won't do silly mining against xmr "community" wishes, but not because we couldn'd do it, but because it's the wrong direction in the long run, for both sides
[11:18:57] linzhi-sonia: I agree to some extent. Though, in reality, there will always be divergence between social worlds. Not every body has the same vision of the future. Reaching societal consensus on reality tomorrow is not always easy
[11:20:25] absolutely. especially at a time when there is so much profit to be made from divisiveness.
[11:20:37] someone will want to make that profit, for sure
[11:24:32] Yes. Money distorts.
[11:24:47] Or wealth...one of the two
[11:26:35] Too much physical money will distort rays of light passing close to it indeed.
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